Sea core package on 8.2


Anyone have history with the sea core package on mercruiser? I?m currently under contract for a 2016 31BR with 8.2?s and sea core. The starboard exhaust manifold has a leak on the side, according to the surveyor. I?m thinking freeze plug??? Is there actually old school freeze plugs on the new style manifolds? Which would lead me to my next question.... How many years do you get out of these ultra ceramic coated risers and manifold? The boat has 200 hours on the engines and it?s been in salt water. If the previous owner never flushed it and was very lacks on winterization, we live in the north east, will I be in for a surprise next season? Any feedback would be g.really appreciated.
 
I have the Sea Core Package on my 2015 34 PC. Love it. No issues with leaks, or rust, from what I can see. I have somewhere in the vicinity of 200 hrs., not exactly sure as my log is on the boat, and my memory is short. :) I do flush, the engines, after every use. I can't speak to the freeze plugs, but I imagine they'd have them. I guess the first thing would be to determine exactly where/what is leaking, then you can make a more educated decision. If you have other specific questions, I be more than happy to jump in.
 
GandD thx! I see you you are in Bricktown, I lived off Princeton Ave most of my life... anyway, I has been determined that there is a crack in the manifold causing the water leak. Not sure how that happens??? Maybe an overheat? Other questions I have are how often should the impellers be replaced, and with the new manifolds, should I be looking at the heat exchangers? Not much of a mechanic, and I have gone to outboards recently, and now I’m jumping back into I/O’s.
 
I do my impellers every 3 years. I base this on cooling water pressure, and how the old impeller looked when I took it out. As you know, our area of the bay is pretty sandy, so I try to keep up on this. I flush after every use. As far as the heat exchangers, they're not too hard to get apart to inspect. Some folks swear by flushing the water side of the HE with Salt away, never tried that, though. Obviously, you'll have to add a little anti freeze, no easy way to save what's in the exchanger.
Yeah we're right off Princeton Ave., at Green Cove been there for 16 years.
 
I have a 2015 350ss with 8.2 seacores. I am the second owner, bought with about 150 hours and now just over 200. I am in the northeast as well, and the boat was here since new. I can give you some good things to look for. My boat was in amazing cosmetic condition, zero rust visible on the engines or anywhere else, had binders of marina maintenance receipts and a good survey and sea trial that give me plenty of confidence. But the 2020 season I had a lot of down time. If I were you I would make sure of the following things:

1) I lost a month in the 2020 season diagnosing, then waiting for parts, for what turned out to be 2 clogged "cool fuel" modules. It is CRITICAL that you flush and drain these each season during winterization, and it's likely good that you try to flush each time you use the boat. Mine were completely blocked with salt at 150 hours to the point that the engines would vapor lock after 15 minutes of running. They would not restart for at least an hour, making for some aggravating days. If you think the previous owner didn't flush and skimped on winterization I would look at these modules carefully and make sure seawater is flowing freely thru them. The passages are tight at the inlet and outlet and easily clogged. If not you'll have vapor lock at the worst possible time. If you pay a mechanic I would budget $4-4500 for a replacement of both. They are about $1500 each by the time they get to your door. At the time I dealt with this the supply chain was spotty and the modules were hard to get. Another sign that this issue is looming is if you see any history of fuel pump or fuel pressure regulator work. The symptom is sudden drop of fuel pressure after lower speed running where the fuel is moving slowly. The temptation is to change out regulators and pumps trying to fix the fuel pressure issues. But it's the modules. This is all a result of no flushing and not draining the modules completely for winter.

2) Shortly after this I had to do both raw water pump assemblies. No issues with flow, but the bearing at the pulley started to leak on one, then the other. Early symptom is rust streaks on the back side of the pulleys. These won't leak unless the engine is running, and in my case only at higher engine speeds. In other words it would be easy to clean salt and rust stains from the bilges and engines if the boat is on the hard and you'd never know unless you check BEHIND the raw water pump pulley. This is another $2500 ordeal to do both.

Access on both these items is a total nightmare on the 350ss. a 310 might be even worse. At least for someone my size. And that brings me to the item in your post, which I am in the middle of dealing with now. Risers and manifolds on these ECT (cat) engines. I am at 6 seasons and just over 200 hours. Historically, rule of thumb is 5 years in salt water. I saw a tiny bit of rust around the starboard riser to manifold gasket on the port engine. So my mechanic advised to disassemble and inspect. I found the seawater ports at the manifold and riser junction plugged about halfway. The bottom one was worse. Plenty of visible rust within the seawater passages of the risers and manifolds, and corrosion and evidence of salt in much of the "dry" portion of the risers, telling me I may have caught this just in time. But they look fine on the outside. So I've been researching my options, and other than replacing with factory parts, there is no reasonably priced alternatives. Good news is the cats slide right out and are re-used.

I considered CMI stainless replacements, which I liked for several reasons. WAY lighter, much less bulk, and likely an easier install as a result. But it's about 10 grand to buy them for 2 engines, and then you need to have Whipple reprogram the computers to deal with the cat removal and 02 sensors. That didn't scare me, but the costs did. This is a $12K ordeal in parts, plus labor.

I also looked at doing the reprogram and then using the manifold and stainless riser system from a non ECT engine, so that going forward I would be looking at periodic replacements of just the cast iron manifolds. With everything needed, it's $7K in parts, plus the reprogram, plus labor. Still way too much for me.

Ultimately I decided to stay all OEM. I was able to get all the parts yesterday for under $4000 for both motors. So in reality, the parts themselves for these engines are not really priced out of line with the same factory parts for a non-ECT 8.2. What worries me is the work. The ECT manifolds are so big and heavy, and access is so tight, I am dreading this job. But I think it's money well spent knowing I can get another 5-6 seasons, and who knows, maybe more, if I am diligent with flushing, which I don't believe the previous owner was.

Sorry for babbling, but to answer your question I think based on what you're seeing and what I've seen, these newer manifolds, even on seacore engines, last the same 5-6 seasons in salt water as all the other older systems do. So if one has a leak, get all of it replaced.

I will create a separate post to see if anyone here has been thru an actual replacement on the newest ECT motors like mine with the single cat. The previous gen ones had 3 cats per manifold and they came apart in multiple sections rather than just one, likely making the work much easier. But the newer single cat design has just been out long enough now that we will be seeing a need for replacement for the first time.
 
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LaserK. That was a lot to take in. Thank you! Current update on my project is that the marina tech has been diving into this and has replaced all 4 riser and manifolds, 3 of the 4 flappers, inspected the cats, and assured me the heat exchangers, fuel pump coolers, and power steering coolers are all in great shape. I’m pretty confident that my brokerage/mechanic yard, is a top notch , old school , company and they are looking out for my best interest. ( everything performed to date has been on their dime, no charge to me! ). I’m learning a lot from all the feedback here, and it will help me moving forward with my yearly maintenance. Shrader yacht sales and marina, point pleasant, NJ. TOP NOTCH OUTFIT! What I will say is that everything I’m worried about, they have put to rest with new parts and professional assurance that any problem I may encounter, moving forward, they will be there for me. I should mention that I will be having them service this boat every year moving forward. I was lucky enough to find this boat in my back yard and have a great outfit to deal with during the process. I still welcome any feedback available from all my formula friends on this forum, it’s a great platform, and I will contribute what I can! Pray for sun !!!
 
I have the Sea Core Package on my 2015 34 PC. Love it. No issues with leaks, or rust, from what I can see. I have somewhere in the vicinity of 200 hrs., not exactly sure as my log is on the boat, and my memory is short. :) I do flush, the engines, after every use. I can't speak to the freeze plugs, but I imagine they'd have them. I guess the first thing would be to determine exactly where/what is leaking, then you can make a more educated decision. If you have other specific questions, I be more than happy to jump in.

I also have SeaCore 8.2 (380 hp version) in my 330 CBR. Towards the end of the season I started using the flush ports mounted at transom door, as I previously had thought that flushing sterndrive engines (absent a valve to cut off raw water pickup) was useless as it would just mix with the salt water, but then figured why not try. So my questions are (1) how do you all flush while in the water during the season and what specific process and procedure do you use (please be as specific as possible), (2) does flushing in the water still have benefit and (3) does SaltAway help?
 
I have a 2015 350ss with 8.2 seacores. I am the second owner, bought with about 150 hours and now just over 200. I am in the northeast as well, and the boat was here since new. I can give you some good things to look for. My boat was in amazing cosmetic condition, zero rust visible on the engines or anywhere else, had binders of marina maintenance receipts and a good survey and sea trial that give me plenty of confidence. But the 2020 season I had a lot of down time. If I were you I would make sure of the following things:

1) I lost a month in the 2020 season diagnosing, then waiting for parts, for what turned out to be 2 clogged "cool fuel" modules. It is CRITICAL that you flush and drain these each season during winterization, and it's likely good that you try to flush each time you use the boat. Mine were completely blocked with salt at 150 hours to the point that the engines would vapor lock after 15 minutes of running. They would not restart for at least an hour, making for some aggravating days. If you think the previous owner didn't flush and skimped on winterization I would look at these modules carefully and make sure seawater is flowing freely thru them. The passages are tight at the inlet and outlet and easily clogged. If not you'll have vapor lock at the worst possible time. If you pay a mechanic I would budget $4-4500 for a replacement of both. They are about $1500 each by the time they get to your door. At the time I dealt with this the supply chain was spotty and the modules were hard to get. Another sign that this issue is looming is if you see any history of fuel pump or fuel pressure regulator work. The symptom is sudden drop of fuel pressure after lower speed running where the fuel is moving slowly. The temptation is to change out regulators and pumps trying to fix the fuel pressure issues. But it's the modules. This is all a result of no flushing and not draining the modules completely for winter.

2) Shortly after this I had to do both raw water pump assemblies. No issues with flow, but the bearing at the pulley started to leak on one, then the other. Early symptom is rust streaks on the back side of the pulleys. These won't leak unless the engine is running, and in my case only at higher engine speeds. In other words it would be easy to clean salt and rust stains from the bilges and engines if the boat is on the hard and you'd never know unless you check BEHIND the raw water pump pulley. This is another $2500 ordeal to do both.

Access on both these items is a total nightmare on the 350ss. a 310 might be even worse. At least for someone my size. And that brings me to the item in your post, which I am in the middle of dealing with now. Risers and manifolds on these ECT (cat) engines. I am at 6 seasons and just over 200 hours. Historically, rule of thumb is 5 years in salt water. I saw a tiny bit of rust around the starboard riser to manifold gasket on the port engine. So my mechanic advised to disassemble and inspect. I found the seawater ports at the manifold and riser junction plugged about halfway. The bottom one was worse. Plenty of visible rust within the seawater passages of the risers and manifolds, and corrosion and evidence of salt in much of the "dry" portion of the risers, telling me I may have caught this just in time. But they look fine on the outside. So I've been researching my options, and other than replacing with factory parts, there is no reasonably priced alternatives. Good news is the cats slide right out and are re-used.

I considered CMI stainless replacements, which I liked for several reasons. WAY lighter, much less bulk, and likely an easier install as a result. But it's about 10 grand to buy them for 2 engines, and then you need to have Whipple reprogram the computers to deal with the cat removal and 02 sensors. That didn't scare me, but the costs did. This is a $12K ordeal in parts, plus labor.

I also looked at doing the reprogram and then using the manifold and stainless riser system from a non ECT engine, so that going forward I would be looking at periodic replacements of just the cast iron manifolds. With everything needed, it's $7K in parts, plus the reprogram, plus labor. Still way too much for me.

Ultimately I decided to stay all OEM. I was able to get all the parts yesterday for under $4000 for both motors. So in reality, the parts themselves for these engines are not really priced out of line with the same factory parts for a non-ECT 8.2. What worries me is the work. The ECT manifolds are so big and heavy, and access is so tight, I am dreading this job. But I think it's money well spent knowing I can get another 5-6 seasons, and who knows, maybe more, if I am diligent with flushing, which I don't believe the previous owner was.

Sorry for babbling, but to answer your question I think based on what you're seeing and what I've seen, these newer manifolds, even on seacore engines, last the same 5-6 seasons in salt water as all the other older systems do. So if one has a leak, get all of it replaced.

I will create a separate post to see if anyone here has been thru an actual replacement on the newest ECT motors like mine with the single cat. The previous gen ones had 3 cats per manifold and they came apart in multiple sections rather than just one, likely making the work much easier. But the newer single cat design has just been out long enough now that we will be seeing a need for replacement for the first time.

Mercury is very confusing about the information they put out there, especially around what ?SeaCore? means. On the small block 6.2 models it includes glycol cooled manifolds meaning those never have to be replaced. On the 8.2 the exhaust system is fully raw water cooled, unlike the 6.2 and also unlike the former 496. There is a long history on this but when Mercury came out with the 8.2s in 2010 they did it because GM was phasing out the 496 which was a more modern engine than the 502 actually. So Mercury went and bought the old tooling of the GM 502 blocks which is an ancient engine. When they tried to cool the exhaust system on the 8.2 with the same system as the 496 the engines overheated continually and they realized the heat exchanger would need to be much bigger. So they just got rid of the closed cooling on the exhaust and left it on the block only....
 
Scott_r0, here's my take on the flush. The flush connection is prior to the raw water pump. When you turn on the hose, it can't get past the impeller, PD pump, so it pushes out through the drive intake. Once you start your engine, the positive pressure from the hose causes a positive head on the raw water pump, at idle, (which is important). This theoretically insures that fresh water flushes the heat exchanger and other raw water cooled parts of the engine. Turn off the engine before turning off the hose, and you're done. This is the Mercruiser set up. Hope this clarifies the operation for you.
 
You're about 85% correct - the flush kits have 1 way valves so the water doesn't just go out the intake on the lower unit.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/perko--flush-pro-engine-flushing-winterizing-system--P006_186_005_507

I have these on both of mine and flush after every run for 5 min. The water attaches before the raw water pump so you can run the engines on land/flush engines.

regardless of open or close cooling - always flush after every run :)

I also use these to put 4 gallons (each) of antifreeze into the engines each fall, after draining the water out of them.
 
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Scott_r0, here's my take on the flush. The flush connection is prior to the raw water pump. When you turn on the hose, it can't get past the impeller, PD pump, so it pushes out through the drive intake. Once you start your engine, the positive pressure from the hose causes a positive head on the raw water pump, at idle, (which is important). This theoretically insures that fresh water flushes the heat exchanger and other raw water cooled parts of the engine. Turn off the engine before turning off the hose, and you're done. This is the Mercruiser set up. Hope this clarifies the operation for you.

So the key seems like it?s basically flush while the engine is running and shut engine off while the hose flow is still on, and this way you have a shot at mostly grabbing the freshwater from the hose through the impeller.

Any sense in using something like salt away which you can feed through the hose through their mixing unit?

Would be nice to have the Ilmor engines with their fully closed cooled exhaust system.
 
How do you flush your motors after use? Do you use the flush ports on the motors or use muffs? How long do you flush and about what rpm do you use?

I previously had a boat with 6.2 Merc and flush ports but I never felt enough water was going down to impeller to reliably use the flush port.
 
Anyone have history with the sea core package on mercruiser? I?m currently under contract for a 2016 31BR with 8.2?s and sea core. The starboard exhaust manifold has a leak on the side, according to the surveyor. I?m thinking freeze plug??? Is there actually old school freeze plugs on the new style manifolds? Which would lead me to my next question.... How many years do you get out of these ultra ceramic coated risers and manifold? The boat has 200 hours on the engines and it?s been in salt water. If the previous owner never flushed it and was very lacks on winterization, we live in the north east, will I be in for a surprise next season? Any feedback would be g.really appreciated.
Older post, but I will share my opinion on SeaCore Drives and it is not good. I have a 2017 39' boat with twin 380 HP 8.2L engines with SeaCore drives...all freshwater application. I am on my second outdrive on the STB side., first one was a lower gear, second one was an upper (50 hours later). Merc mechanic says boat is too heavy for the drives...he also says he's getting crickets when he asks his Merc rep about the issue. I also have a friend with a 2008 35' boat with twin 8.1L engines with SeaCore drives and he is on his 3rd outdrive in 3 years (apparently, this is the boats 4th). Now sure the engineering in the gears by Merc, but it's not good. I've had two other boats with BIII X drives and they've performed well. Stear clear of the blue outdrives!
 
I installed B3X seacore drives as replacements on a 34pc with 496mag. I have no issues at all, oil looks great every year when I change it.
Seacore is not related to the strength of the drive, it's simply a coatings/corrosion prevention system. Your boat may need a B3X or bigger. 39' on gas sterndrive is starting to get to the limits for sure.
 
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